by Ben6993 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:47 am
Some comments now but maybe more later on my preon thread. I will give a pointer to it here if/when ready.
Yes Friend, I agree that the higgs field is the mass giving mechanism not the higgs particle. (However a higgs+ boson [with weak isospin = 0.5] can interact with a left-handed muon [with w.i. = -0.5], for example, and convert it to a RH muon [w.i. = zero].)
IMO a boson should be treated like a particle inasmuchas a particle cannot change form except at an interaction. There are two forms of higgs boson, one with -0.5 weak isospin and one with +0.5 weak isospin and I suggest that they are fixed at that form until they interact as particles/bosons. Field interactions do not permanently change particle or boson forms. For me, that means for field interactions, a LH muon [w.i. = -0.5) will oscillate between w.i. = -0.5 and zero while the Higgs+ [w.i.= 0.5] will simultaneously oscillate between 0.5 and zero, so that their combined w.i. is always net zero.
Penrose's CCC, for cosmology, seems ideal for unravelling contents of elementary particles at interactions. To unravel a knotted ball of string one teases strands apart rather than tightening the knot further to a point. But in the CCC the end of cycle corresponds to a cold expanded space where there are no fermions left [all matter teased completely apart], so the metric is lost because all the contents are bosonic occupying a single BEC state which restarts the metric at a point.
If there are three generations of higgs, there could be three different fields of higgs. And by field I mean the condition in which the, say, H+ boson is in between interactions. That is, I trust, distinguishable from the vacuum states, or Dirac sea or whatever form. From the vacuum can emerge particle-antiparticle pairs. If you include both LH and RH forms for an electron and positron and sum their preon contents one gets a neutral bag of preons. Neutral meaning that there is no overall net property (i.e. no net Q, spin or w.i.). Now is this a genuine quantisation/bag or just a bunch of preons scooped out of a random mix of preons in a preon sea? I.e is it like the particle which cannot change its contents until a further interaction, or is it just a random scoop of preons? If it is a quantised, not-to-be-separated bag, then that would imply that there is a connection between the electron and positron after their pair creation. But to avoid spooky long distance effects I assume that the only quantisation is for single particles or bosons. So that implies that the higgs field is not the total bag, lying in a preon sea, that could give H+ and H- simultaneously, as that would require quantising something which I have just argued is not quantised.
Another reason not to quantise the total bag (containing simultaneously, say, the LH e-, RH e-, LH e+ and RH e+) is that that same bag could also, in my preon model, exactly provide the LH and RH neutrinos and antineutrinos, and ditto for the up quarks, and down quarks, and higgs. Just quantising that bag would not be enough to identify Higg boson properties, or electron properties, or ... .
Some comments now but maybe more later on my preon thread. I will give a pointer to it here if/when ready.
Yes Friend, I agree that the higgs field is the mass giving mechanism not the higgs particle. (However a higgs+ boson [with weak isospin = 0.5] can interact with a left-handed muon [with w.i. = -0.5], for example, and convert it to a RH muon [w.i. = zero].)
IMO a boson should be treated like a particle inasmuchas a particle cannot change form except at an interaction. There are two forms of higgs boson, one with -0.5 weak isospin and one with +0.5 weak isospin and I suggest that they are fixed at that form until they interact as particles/bosons. Field interactions do not permanently change particle or boson forms. For me, that means for field interactions, a LH muon [w.i. = -0.5) will oscillate between w.i. = -0.5 and zero while the Higgs+ [w.i.= 0.5] will simultaneously oscillate between 0.5 and zero, so that their combined w.i. is always net zero.
Penrose's CCC, for cosmology, seems ideal for unravelling contents of elementary particles at interactions. To unravel a knotted ball of string one teases strands apart rather than tightening the knot further to a point. But in the CCC the end of cycle corresponds to a cold expanded space where there are no fermions left [all matter teased completely apart], so the metric is lost because all the contents are bosonic occupying a single BEC state which restarts the metric at a point.
If there are three generations of higgs, there could be three different fields of higgs. And by field I mean the condition in which the, say, H+ boson is in between interactions. That is, I trust, distinguishable from the vacuum states, or Dirac sea or whatever form. From the vacuum can emerge particle-antiparticle pairs. If you include both LH and RH forms for an electron and positron and sum their preon contents one gets a neutral bag of preons. Neutral meaning that there is no overall net property (i.e. no net Q, spin or w.i.). Now is this a genuine quantisation/bag or just a bunch of preons scooped out of a random mix of preons in a preon sea? I.e is it like the particle which cannot change its contents until a further interaction, or is it just a random scoop of preons? If it is a quantised, not-to-be-separated bag, then that would imply that there is a connection between the electron and positron after their pair creation. But to avoid spooky long distance effects I assume that the only quantisation is for single particles or bosons. So that implies that the higgs field is not the total bag, lying in a preon sea, that could give H+ and H- simultaneously, as that would require quantising something which I have just argued is not quantised.
Another reason not to quantise the total bag (containing simultaneously, say, the LH e-, RH e-, LH e+ and RH e+) is that that same bag could also, in my preon model, exactly provide the LH and RH neutrinos and antineutrinos, and ditto for the up quarks, and down quarks, and higgs. Just quantising that bag would not be enough to identify Higg boson properties, or electron properties, or ... .
