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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by gill1109 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:32 am

Joy Christian wrote:All I can do in the current situation is to think about physics.

Me too - well mathematics, not physics. You are very wise.

Actually I can talk to my colleagues - as long as internet still works - about stochastic epidemic models. There are interesting ideas coming up from physics: theory of "interacting particle systems". The network of connections in our populations is actually fractal and irregular (different parameters at different levels and in different locations...).

I'm lucky enough to live with a big town on one side and a big forest on the other side. I can still sneak into the forest from time to time, and get high on the oxygen levels there...

Lots of people are now doing amateur statistics. It's an ill wind which blows nobody any good, I suppose.

Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:13 am

gill1109 wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
I have revised my pedagogical paper again: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.11578.

Good to see you are active and making progress! Take care of yourself!

Thank you. And you too take care of yourself.

All I can do in the current situation is to think about physics. In the UK there have been over 5,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and 233 deaths already. Everything is closed except for the grocery stores. So all the viruses are now gathering in the grocery stores and I am apprehensive to go shopping. Not that there is anything available in the stores. All the shelves are empty. We have avoided Italy-style total lockdown so far. But we are only 14 days behind Italy and I expect things to get a lot worse in about two weeks. I am coping with the situation by thinking about physics and checking the news frequently. In 2020 we thought we would have flying cars, and here we are teaching everyone how to wash their hands. :-(

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by gill1109 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:07 pm

Joy Christian wrote:I have revised my pedagogical paper again: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.11578.

Good to see you are active and making progress! Take care of yourself!

Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:15 pm

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I have revised my pedagogical paper again: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.11578.

Among other minor edits, I have moved the simulation code to Appendix B and added the following new paragraph on page 7:

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:45 pm

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The story goes that Bertrand Russell, in a lecture on logic, mentioned that in the sense of material implication, a false proposition implies any proposition.

A student raised his hand and said: "In that case, given that 1 = 0, prove that you are the Pope."

Russell immediately replied:

"Add 1 to both sides of the equation: then we have 2 = 1. The set containing just me and the Pope has 2 members. But 2 = 1, so it has only 1 member; therefore, I am the Pope."

The moral of the story is that you can prove anything and claim anything about anything if you start out with an equation that is manifestly wrong in that its LHS is not equal to its RHS.

So don't forget to check your starting equation before making a fool of yourself.

Just saying.

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:13 am

Joy Christian wrote:
By the way, the entire second term in eq. (60) is a null bivector. And, just like a null vector, a null bivector is an additive identity. Therefore step (61) is not needed for the derivation of the strong correlation. In other words, eq. (60) is already equal to eq. (62). And with that, all the hullabaloo of a "sign error" by some unscrupulous critics of my work goes down the drain.

I have updated the paper on the arXiv to make the above point clear in the derivation. In the updated version 6, I have added the following two lines in the paragraph just below eq. (62):

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:44 am

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By the way, the entire second term in eq. (60) is a null bivector. And, just like a null vector, a null bivector is an additive identity. Therefore step (61) is not needed for the derivation of the strong correlation. In other words, eq. (60) is already equal to eq. (62). And with that, all the hullabaloo of a "sign error" by some unscrupulous critics of my work goes down the drain.

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:23 pm

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I have revised my pedagogical paper once again to make the above comments regarding the disappearing Cheshire Cat more transparent (Reference: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland).

The revised part of the paper is a new paragraph that includes equations (54) to (62). In fact, let me reproduce the new derivation of the strong correlations to show how beautiful it is. What is calculated in the derivation of the expectation value E(a, b) below is correlations between the limiting scalar points, A = +/-1 and B = +/-1, of a quaternionic 3-sphere (i.e. S^3):

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A line-by-line explanation of this derivation is given in the paragraph that includes it. There are two differences between this derivation and all of the previous derivations of the strong correlations I have presented. While all derivations are based on imposing the law of conservation of spin angular momentum by setting s1 = s2, in this derivation the two limits s1 --> a and s2 --> b are actually carried out rather than made superfluous. The consequence is that we end up with a null bivector in eq. (59) instead of a bivector over the direction a x b. Thus the Cheshire Cat disappears already in eq. (59). Only its ghostly grin remains. But, as we can see from eqs. (59) to (62), even the cat's grin is wiped out in the end, thanks to the fact that handedness of the 3-sphere is necessarily a fair coin, which is the hidden variable in the model, and therefore it must be summed over in the calculation of the expectation value E(a, b).

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:28 pm

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Happy New Year to everyone!

I have revised my pedagogical paper once again: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.11578. The last couple of lines of the following paragraph, including Eq. (40), are new in this version:

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Nota bene: If a null vector is like the teeth of the Cheshire Cat, then a null bivector is like the grin of the Cheshire Cat, with the Cat itself being the vector or the bivector, respectively. :)

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But seriously, just as a null vector is a vector that has no length (or has vanishing magnitude) and no direction, a null bivector is a bivector that spans no area (or spans zero area) and has no direction. Moreover, in Geometric Algebra there is only one notion of zero for elements of all grades. In other words, there is only one notion of zero for the scalars, vectors, bivectors, trivectors, and multivectors, not separate notions of zero for each grade or a composite of grades.

More importantly, I claim that my pedagogical paper provides the best explanation to date of the observed strong correlations in strictly local, realistic, and deterministic terms. :D

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:21 am

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Quite independently of any cosmological model, for the past twelve years I have argued for a closed S^3 model for the 3D physical space. My argument comes from a local-realistic understanding of quantum correlations. It is good to know that cosmological data also now seem to support the closed model for the physical space:

"... the Planck cosmic microwave background spectra now preferring a positive curvature at more than 99% confidence level":

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-019-0906-9

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:07 pm

Joy Christian wrote:***
Ok., here is the new paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.11578.

Title: Dr. Bertlmann's Socks in the Quaternionic World of Ambidextral Reality

Abstract:

In this pedagogical paper, John S. Bell's amusing example of Dr. Bertlmann's socks is reconsidered, first within a toy model of a two-dimensional one-sided world of a non-orientable Möbius strip, and then within a real world of three-dimensional quaternionic sphere, S^3, which results from an addition of a single point to R^3 at infinity. In the quaternionic world, which happens to be the spatial part of a solution of Einstein's field equations of general relativity, the singlet correlations between a pair of entangled fermions can be understood as classically as those between Dr. Bertlmann's colorful socks.


I have revised the pedagogical paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.11578.

I have added an appendix proving the equivalence of the conservation of spin angular momentum and the twists in the Hopf bundle of S^3. This makes the paper more technical than I intended it to be, but the technicality (as beautiful as it is) is in the appendix and can be ignored in the first reading.

I have also added a couple of explanatory lines in the code presented in Section IV to bring the code more in line with the analytical derivation of the singlet correlations.

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by FrediFizzx » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:04 am

local wrote:Happy Thanksgiving to all!

And thank you FrediFizzx for the great forum.


You're welcome and Happy Thanksgiving to you and all.

Now, if I could just figure out the function for the sign flip, it would be a really great Thanksgiving. :)
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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by local » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:41 am

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

And thank you FrediFizzx for the great forum.

Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by FrediFizzx » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:54 pm

Here is some typical output of the GAViewer code that is in the paper.

Code: Select all
neg_adotb = 0.574949
theta = 234.903931
correlation = 0.574949
neg_adotb = 0.386546
theta = 247.260223
correlation = 0.386546
neg_adotb = 0.006321
theta = 90.362167
correlation = 0.006321
neg_adotb = -0.487911
theta = 60.796616
correlation = -0.487911
neg_adotb = 0.196614
theta = 101.339050
correlation = 0.196614
neg_adotb = -0.526722
theta = 58.215748
correlation = -0.526722
neg_adotb = 0.898704
theta = 153.988235
correlation = 0.898704
neg_adotb = -0.832386
theta = 33.655334
correlation = -0.832386
neg_adotb = 0.113726
theta = 96.530151
correlation = 0.113726
neg_adotb = 0.461435
theta = 242.520279
correlation = 0.461435
neg_adotb = 0.399192
theta = 246.472336
correlation = 0.399192
neg_adotb = 0.532410
theta = 122.168465
correlation = 0.532410
neg_adotb = -0.392552
theta = 66.886620
correlation = -0.392552
neg_adotb = 0.254378
theta = 104.736710
correlation = 0.254378
mean = 0.001660 + 0.004355*e2^e3 + -0.001763*e3^e1 + -0.002109*e1^e2
aveA = 0.004108
aveB = 0.000323


One can see that the correlation matches up perfectly to neg_adotb event by event so verifies the product calculation. And that the bivectors are vanishing in the "mean".
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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by local » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:16 pm

Cool! Thank you for the link and info. Will read both tomorrow with great interest.

Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:54 pm

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Ok., here is the new paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.11578.

Title: Dr. Bertlmann's Socks in the Quaternionic World of Ambidextral Reality

Abstract:

In this pedagogical paper, John S. Bell's amusing example of Dr. Bertlmann's socks is reconsidered, first within a toy model of a two-dimensional one-sided world of a non-orientable Möbius strip, and then within a real world of three-dimensional quaternionic sphere, S^3, which results from an addition of a single point to R^3 at infinity. In the quaternionic world, which happens to be the spatial part of a solution of Einstein's field equations of general relativity, the singlet correlations between a pair of entangled fermions can be understood as classically as those between Dr. Bertlmann's colorful socks.

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:17 pm

local wrote:This will be extremely helpful to your cause if you can show equivalence between Pearle's distribution function and your 3-sphere topology. I'm looking forward to it!

The new paper is not about Pearle's paper or detection loophole. It is about understanding strong correlations in terms of Dr. Bertlemann's socks. I will link it here soon.

But the equivlance between Pearle's distribution function and the 3-sphere topology has been discussed already in my IEEE paper. See the discussion between Eqs. (47) and (52). The main idea is that those particle states that are not detected according to Pearle, do not actually exist within the 3-sphere in the first place. Therefore, there is a one-to-one correspondence between what is detected and what is emitted. So no detection loophole. Every particle that is emitted is detected, and vice versa.

In any case, I am more excited about the upcoming new paper because of the conceptual clarity it offers, at least to my mind. It shows that the singlet correlations are Dr. Bertlemann's socks type classical correlations within the 3-sphere (which is taken as a physical space in my local-realistic model for the quantum correlations).

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by local » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:39 am

This will be extremely helpful to your cause if you can show equivalence between Pearle's distribution function and your 3-sphere topology. I'm looking forward to it!

Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:47 pm

Joy Christian wrote:
I am tempted to write a short paper on the main theme of this thread.

Ok, I have succumbed to writing a new paper on the theme of this thread. Watch this space. :-)

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Re: Dr Bertlmann's socks and the 3-sphere model of EPR-Bohm

Post by Joy Christian » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:35 am

localyokel wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
Heinera wrote:
Well, they must be doing something right since they see violation of the Bell inequalities.

Nobody has ever seen a violation of a Bell inequality. Nothing can even violate a mathematical inequality. No experiment has ever violated a Bell inequality.

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Would you have a word with my bank about my overdraft fee?

No.

But that is an excellent analogy of what actually happens in the experiments. The bank balance of the CHSH correlator is claimed by Bell and his followers to be 2. But, by physical necessity, the experiments can only be done with an overdraft so that the actual bank balance of the CHSH correlator is, in fact, 4. Therefore, all the talk of the bank balance of 2 "violated" in the experiments is pure nonsense. 2 wasn't the true bank balance to begin with. The true bank balance was 4, and that was never violated.

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