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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by FrediFizzx » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:44 am

@gill1109 Especially that paper should be in the trash. Right off he bat the title is ridiculous.
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:25 am

FrediFizzx wrote:@gill1109 http://einstein-cartan.org/wp/ Haven't updated the citation list in a while. There are 3 more I can think of off the top. 4,234 hits on that page.

Oh, isn't that the paper of yours that I told you should be in the trash? :mrgreen:
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Don't you think all my papers should be in the trash? :lol: :lol: 8-)

Well, it's a paper *about* Joy Christian's work, so just consider it as great advertising for his contributions.

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by FrediFizzx » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:27 am

@gill1109 http://einstein-cartan.org/wp/ Haven't updated the citation list in a while. There are 3 more I can think of off the top. 4,234 hits on that page.

Oh, isn't that the paper of yours that I told you should be in the trash? :mrgreen:
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:44 am

FrediFizzx wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:We had to pay 1,800 Swiss francs for this. MDPI journals are predatory journals. By contrast, I did not have to pay a penny to IJTP, RSOS, and IEEE Access for my five papers in them.

Yeah, but our paper there is in the right special issue of Universe on torsion gravity. It was worth it. And Luca Fabbri, the guest editor, is no slouch about torsion gravity. 1264 full text views plus between the arXiv version and the published version I think we have 8 citations.
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Your Google scholar citations of that paper: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=13828399329038145097&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en

This MDPI "Entropy" article by me https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/1/61 got 1500 full text views.

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by FrediFizzx » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:55 am

Joy Christian wrote:We had to pay 1,800 Swiss francs for this. MDPI journals are predatory journals. By contrast, I did not have to pay a penny to IJTP, RSOS, and IEEE Access for my five papers in them.

Yeah, but our paper there is in the right special issue of Universe on torsion gravity. It was worth it. And Luca Fabbri, the guest editor, is no slouch about torsion gravity. 1264 full text views plus between the arXiv version and the published version I think we have 8 citations.
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:53 am

Joy Christian wrote:
gill1109 wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:.
The journal Entropy, where Richard D. Gill's critique of my work and his apology to me is published, is published by the MDPI publishers. There is much discussion online claiming that all journals published by MDPI are predatory journals. Now Oxford Academics have officially joined the debate. Last week, a paper was published about the legitimacy of MDPI in the Oxford Journal Research Evaluation, which concluded that all MDPI journals are predatory journals: https://academic.oup.com/rev/advance-ar ... 20/6348133.
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Here is another paper published in an MDPI journal:
On the Role of Einstein–Cartan Gravity in Fundamental Particle Physics
by Carl F. Diether III and Joy Christian
Universe 2020, 6(8), 112; https://doi.org/10.3390/universe6080112
Received: 7 July 2020 / Revised: 2 August 2020 / Accepted: 3 August 2020 / Published: 5 August 2020

This article belongs to the Special Issue Torsion-Gravity and Spinors in Fundamental Theoretical Physics. The special issue contains just five papers. Three are by Italians from Genua one of whom is the editor of the special issue.

We had to pay 1,800 Swiss francs for this. MDPI journals are predatory journals. By contrast, I did not have to pay a penny to IJTP, RSOS, and IEEE Access for my five papers in them.
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That's appalling, Joy. I'm glad you didn't have to pay those other journals. I suppose the editor (in the case of RSOS and IEEE) was so keen to publish your work that the fee could be waived. I did pay a strongly reduced fee for the publication of my two papers published by Entropy because of my refereeing and reviewing (co-editor) work for the journal. MDPI journals tend to have huge editorial boards because the idea is that journals will initially be filled by papers by those same editors.

I brought that Oxford paper to the attention of the editor-in-chief of Entropy. The editorial board will discuss it. We agree that we have to do more work to stop the MDPI organisation from corrupting the journal by too fast and too superficial reviewing and too many special issues filled by papers by friends of the guest editor after minimal review.

FrediFizzx wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:We had to pay 1,800 Swiss francs for this. MDPI journals are predatory journals. By contrast, I did not have to pay a penny to IJTP, RSOS, and IEEE Access for my five papers in them.

Yeah, but our paper there is in the right special issue of Universe on torsion gravity. It was worth it. And Luca Fabbri, the guest editor, is no slouch about torsion gravity. 1264 full text views plus between the arXiv version and the published version I think we have 8 citations.
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I'm glad to hear that, Fred.

"Oxford Academic Journals" is a company, part of Oxford University Press, hence part of Oxford University; and it publishes a huge number of journals. Let's hope they hold to high publishing standards. But remember, they are a commercial company as well as formally part of Oxford University. They benefit from the allure of the name.

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by Joy Christian » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:33 am

gill1109 wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:.
The journal Entropy, where Richard D. Gill's critique of my work and his apology to me is published, is published by the MDPI publishers. There is much discussion online claiming that all journals published by MDPI are predatory journals. Now Oxford Academics have officially joined the debate. Last week, a paper was published about the legitimacy of MDPI in the Oxford Journal Research Evaluation, which concluded that all MDPI journals are predatory journals: https://academic.oup.com/rev/advance-ar ... 20/6348133.
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Here is another paper published in an MDPI journal:
On the Role of Einstein–Cartan Gravity in Fundamental Particle Physics
by Carl F. Diether III and Joy Christian
Universe 2020, 6(8), 112; https://doi.org/10.3390/universe6080112
Received: 7 July 2020 / Revised: 2 August 2020 / Accepted: 3 August 2020 / Published: 5 August 2020

This article belongs to the Special Issue Torsion-Gravity and Spinors in Fundamental Theoretical Physics. The special issue contains just five papers. Three are by Italians from Genua one of whom is the editor of the special issue.

We had to pay 1,800 Swiss francs for this. MDPI journals are predatory journals. By contrast, I did not have to pay a penny to IJTP, RSOS, and IEEE Access for my five papers in them.
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:29 am

Joy Christian wrote:.
The journal Entropy, where Richard D. Gill's critique of my work and his apology to me is published, is published by the MDPI publishers. There is much discussion online claiming that all journals published by MDPI are predatory journals. Now Oxford Academics have officially joined the debate. Last week, a paper was published about the legitimacy of MDPI in the Oxford Journal Research Evaluation, which concluded that all MDPI journals are predatory journals: https://academic.oup.com/rev/advance-ar ... 20/6348133.
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Here is another paper published in an MDPI journal:
On the Role of Einstein–Cartan Gravity in Fundamental Particle Physics
by Carl F. Diether III and Joy Christian
Universe 2020, 6(8), 112; https://doi.org/10.3390/universe6080112
Received: 7 July 2020 / Revised: 2 August 2020 / Accepted: 3 August 2020 / Published: 5 August 2020

This article belongs to the Special Issue Torsion-Gravity and Spinors in Fundamental Theoretical Physics. The special issue contains just five papers. Three are by Italians from Genua one of whom is the editor of the special issue.

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:58 pm

Well, some of the MDPI journals are more predatory than others. There are some good names on the editorial board of "Entropy" and there have been quite a few decent papers published there. Of course, I am a member of the editorial board and I have submitted to Entropy three times, two papers were published and one was (I think justly) rejected. They got pretty thorough reviews, and that resulted in a better final version of the published papers. The journal also handled Joy Christian's complaint very painstakingly and that too led to further improvement. The two published papers were not breathtakingly significant but they weren't bad either, in my own opinion. One of them has been cited three times already and not by myself or by people I know. [One of the three citing papers is already published, the other two are arXiv preprints which look rather serious and should end up published too]. Anyway: I recommend Joy and Fred submit their latest work to Entropy. Review is quite swift. Impact Factor is presently 2.49. If I'm asked to review their paper I'll recuse myself

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:58 am

Joy Christian wrote:.
The journal Entropy, where Richard D. Gill's critique of my work and his apology to me is published, is published by the MDPI publishers. There is much discussion online claiming that all journals published by MDPI are predatory journals. Now Oxford Academics have officially joined the debate. Last week, a paper was published about the legitimacy of MDPI in the Oxford Journal Research Evaluation, which concluded that all MDPI journals are predatory journals: https://academic.oup.com/rev/advance-ar ... 20/6348133.
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Like Joy Christian, I am also publishing in IEEE Access and in Royal Society Open Science. It is interesting to see how these journals are imitating the publication practices of publishing houses like MDPI. Extremely fast refereeing. Publishing of referee reports, so that the editorial board does not have to make difficult scientific evaluations.

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by Joy Christian » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:14 am

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The journal Entropy, where Richard D. Gill's critique of my work and his apology to me is published, is published by the MDPI publishers. There is much discussion online claiming that all journals published by MDPI are predatory journals. Now Oxford Academics have officially joined the debate. Last week, a paper was published about the legitimacy of MDPI in the Oxford Journal Research Evaluation, which concluded that all MDPI journals are predatory journals: https://academic.oup.com/rev/advance-ar ... 20/6348133.
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by Joy Christian » Fri May 28, 2021 9:09 am

gill1109 wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
You are not "inspired" by my work. You are threatened by it. It makes your life meaningless. It proves that you have wasted decades of your life chasing a wild goose of Bell's theorem.

I am not threatened in the least. Bell's theorem is really just a hobby. I presently work on forensic statistics, scientific integrity, survival analysis and a number of other topics. I'm retired and have many other hobbies.

Harassing those who disagree with your views --- with personal attacks --- is your primary hobby. I am not the only one who knows this. Let us not forget the words of Prof. Karl Hess:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=49&p=2545&hilit=third+rate#p2545
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Fri May 28, 2021 8:26 am

Joy Christian wrote:
gill1109 wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
gill1109 wrote:I was delighted to apologise to Joy, and to remove various words, phrases and paragraphs which were not very polite. At the same time I was able to make a necessary mathematical correction. The paper is much improved and much more effective. There is no place for ad hominems in civilized scientific publishing.

I am not buying your hypocrisy, and increasingly other people are also able to see through it.
Your paper is junk paper, as are all your other papers about my work. It contains many mistakes and falsehoods. It claims to survey my work of fourteen years, but it does no such thing.

It seems I’m the only one writing papers about (or inspired by) your work, Joy. I have three in the pipeline.

You are not "inspired" by my work. You are threatened by it. It makes your life meaningless. It proves that you have wasted decades of your life chasing a wild goose of Bell's theorem.
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I am not threatened in the least. Bell's theorem is really just a hobby. I presently work on forensic statistics, scientific integrity, survival analysis and a number of other topics. I'm retired and have many other hobbies.

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by Joy Christian » Thu May 27, 2021 2:00 am

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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by Joy Christian » Wed May 26, 2021 2:48 am

gill1109 wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
gill1109 wrote:I was delighted to apologise to Joy, and to remove various words, phrases and paragraphs which were not very polite. At the same time I was able to make a necessary mathematical correction. The paper is much improved and much more effective. There is no place for ad hominems in civilized scientific publishing.

I am not buying your hypocrisy, and increasingly other people are also able to see through it.
Your paper is junk paper, as are all your other papers about my work. It contains many mistakes and falsehoods. It claims to survey my work of fourteen years, but it does no such thing.

It seems I’m the only one writing papers about (or inspired by) your work, Joy. I have three in the pipeline.

You are not "inspired" by my work. You are threatened by it. It makes your life meaningless. It proves that you have wasted decades of your life chasing a wild goose of Bell's theorem.
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Mon May 24, 2021 3:14 am

Joy Christian wrote:
gill1109 wrote:I was delighted to apologise to Joy, and to remove various words, phrases and paragraphs which were not very polite. At the same time I was able to make a necessary mathematical correction. The paper is much improved and much more effective. There is no place for ad hominems in civilized scientific publishing.

I am not buying your hypocrisy, and increasingly other people are also able to see through it.
Your paper is junk paper, as are all your other papers about my work. It contains many mistakes and falsehoods. It claims to survey my work of fourteen years, but it does no such thing.

It seems I’m the only one writing papers about (or inspired by) your work, Joy. I have three in the pipeline.

Do keep on researching and writing!

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by Joy Christian » Mon May 24, 2021 2:57 am

gill1109 wrote:
I was delighted to apologise to Joy, and to remove various words, phrases and paragraphs which were not very polite. At the same time I was able to make a necessary mathematical correction. The paper is much improved and much more effective. There is no place for ad hominems in civilized scientific publishing.

I am not buying your hypocrisy, and increasingly other people are also able to see through it.

Your paper is junk paper, as are all your other papers about my work. It contains many mistakes and falsehoods. It claims to survey my work of fourteen years, but it does no such thing.
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by gill1109 » Mon May 24, 2021 1:46 am

I was delighted to apologise to Joy, and to remove various words, phrases and paragraphs which were not very polite. At the same time I was able to make a necessary mathematical correction. The paper is much improved and much more effective. There is no place for ad hominems in civilized scientific publishing.

Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by Joy Christian » Sat May 22, 2021 4:39 am

FrediFizzx wrote:
Is that the paper I told Gill that he should trash it? It is so bad and full of nonsense I could barely stand to read it.

No, that is another one. As you say, that one is equally trashy.
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Re: Richard Gill has been forced to apologize to me by Entro

Post by FrediFizzx » Sat May 22, 2021 4:38 am

Is that the paper I told Gill that he should trash it? It is so bad and full of nonsense I could barely stand to read it.
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