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Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby FrediFizzx » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:59 pm

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Some big news for the 21st Century. Press Release is here.

So it looks like the big bang theory is more correct than ever.
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Re: Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby Richard D Saam » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:17 pm

The B mode graphic is not to scale
declination -50 to -60 degree
right ascension
30 to -30 degree
The angular nature appears differently when scaled properly
The press conference indicate many many different inflation theories
and these B mode results are awaiting verification by many other experimental efforts
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Re: Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby gill1109 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:00 am

Richard D Saam wrote:The B mode graphic is not to scale
declination -50 to -60 degree
right ascension
30 to -30 degree
The angular nature appears differently when scaled properly
The press conference indicate many many different inflation theories
and these B mode results are awaiting verification by many other experimental efforts

Interesting, that the graphic is not scaled properly. Is there a decently scaled graphic out there somewhere?
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Re: Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby gris » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:15 am

It strikes me as rather odd that the press release states more than is claimed in the actual paper.
The press release states: "Researchers from the BICEP2 collaboration today announced the first direct evidence for this cosmic inflation. Their data also represent the first images of gravitational waves, or ripples in space-time. These waves have been described as the "first tremors of the Big Bang." Finally, the data confirm a deep connection between quantum mechanics and general relativity."

No such direct claim can be found in the paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.3985.pdf

This claim would be unsubstantiated for it doesn't prove that the data better fits that model than say several other possible models of the universe that Marmet provides us with in lieu of red-shift: http://www.marmet.org/cosmology/redshift/mechanisms.pdf

More notably the BB model has become dominant more and more since the Arp affair. I.e. when he was pulled away from his beloved telescope since then who dares state anything else than BB backed research? If you have a problem such as marrying GR citron to QM grapefruit assuming MN has it being one sort of fruit, than having an orange BB model and squeezing out that and getting a result doesn't prove that the orange BB model is better than say Arps type of citrus-fruit. Only when equal effort is done towards all other potential models can that be compared and shown to be true or not. This can't be claimed this was for it is fallacious. That is I guess the reason the claim isn't made in the paper.

Models like BB just like DSM V in psychology etc have the nasty tendency to become more and more dominant and showing less and less results as the last juice is pressed out of them.

This problem lies IMO with not taking into account the instrument between the ears. If you do that and have your logic based on the stated goal i.e. marrying GR to QM and thus finding out what the cosmology is about via in effect reaching a TOE, which thus should be stated as the goal to be reached within this decade, only then will you start to align the instruments between the ears.

Believing in BB is probably falling for an illusion created by MN, because you're going about it all wrong due to the way the different instruments between the ears are operating.

Men and woman with instrumentation from Mars are more adept for R&D issues than men and woman from Venus. The latter are better at production and sales. Yet they become more and more dominant when their production and sales method show results. That R&D from Mars would show better and quicker results is thus ignored. It is all about who is better at the educated guesswork. Well we know from current psychology that men and woman from Mars are far better at that. Ergo reorganize.
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Re: Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby Mikko » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:10 am

Richard D Saam wrote:The B mode graphic is not to scale
declination -50 to -60 degree
right ascension
30 to -30 degree
The angular nature appears differently when scaled properly
The press conference indicate many many different inflation theories
and these B mode results are awaiting verification by many other experimental efforts

Note that one degree in declination represents a distance of one degree but one degree in right ascension represents only about a half degree distance.
The diagram is roughly correctly scaled but distorted. Upper and lower edges represent circular arcs.
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Re: Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby Mikko » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:14 am

gris wrote:If you have a problem such as marrying GR citron to QM grapefruit assuming MN has it being one sort of fruit,

What is "MN" ?
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Re: Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby gris » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:48 am

Mother Nature (or if you so prefer God, yet I don't find that probable, and I have the very strong feeling an entity with a beard doesn't exist in this or any context )
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Re: Evidence for Cosmic Inflation found!

Postby Q-reeus » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:02 am

Article today from PhysicsWorld.com: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/new ... lanck-data
Not yet conclusive either way, but original BICEP2 claims now looking decidedly shaky. Great news for me personally. The original announcement on March 17 was a real body-blow as quite some time earlier had done a 180 degrees change of view in a particular forum thread. Dealing with how GR tries to reconcile the stress-energy-tensor continuity, with mass loss from say a pulsar binary due to GW's. That switch was in coming to the solid conclusion the so-called quadrupole mode TT-gauge gravitational wave is an impossibility, on grounds will not expand on here. Was just starting to look at putting together a case to present to a gravitational-wave 'astronomy' consortium, when the 'bad' news of Mar 17 struck. No way in such a euphoric climate could I have gotten a hearing. Now, maybe a real chance. Sorry to tease here, but don't ask for details - there are 'commercial' implications. And btw binary pulsar data is not swept under the rug. Two possibilities imo re latter - Nature takes without giving back (net energy loss), or, less likely, transverse dipolar and/or longitudinal GW's may exist.
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