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Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:35 am

Here's a revision of my paper Comment on “Dr. Bertlmann’s Socks in a Quaternionic World of Ambidextral Reality” https://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~gill/IEEE_Access_paper-rev2.pdf. It should also be on arXiv tomorrow morning https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.11338.

I report some results of further investigation into the GAViwer simulation.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby Joy Christian » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:09 am

gill1109 wrote:
Here's a revision of my paper Comment on “Dr. Bertlmann’s Socks in a Quaternionic World of Ambidextral Reality” https://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~gill/IEEE_Access_paper-rev2.pdf. It should also be on arXiv tomorrow morning https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.11338.

A vacuous gibberish of a statistician who habitually makes extremely elementary mathematical and conceptual mistakes and incorrect claims. I have provided plenty of evidence of that fact in the past, for example in this paper: https://www.academia.edu/38423874/Refut ... ls_Theorem. No further effort from me is necessary to refute his new gibberish, and no physicist or a mathematician should ever pay any attention to it. I reluctantly respond to this post, just to reproduce a part of my response paper here for the convenience of the readers of this forum:

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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:18 am

My paper is further shortened and sanitised, and is finally accepted by IEEE Access. I’ll also upload the final version to arXiv.

Obviously I will never convince Joy Christian that he is wrong but it seems I did convince quite a few others.

How about holding a Zoom seminar on this? We need a neutral chairman and moderator - maybe Jay Yablon? Or Fred Diether?

By the way, I already corrected my mistaken remark in my Entropy paper about bivectors squaring to 1. It is the trivector which squares to +1. The correction note is being processed.

I also asked Kevin Knuth and Andrei Khrennikov about Christian’s complaints. They are not taking any action on them.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby Joy Christian » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:14 am

gill1109 wrote:
Obviously I will never convince Joy Christian that he is wrong but it seems I did convince quite a few others.

You may have convinced some Bell-believers. That doesn't mean much, as they are already blindsided by Bell's junk theorem. Like you, they are already incapable of seeing the light. :)
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:07 am

Joy Christian wrote:[quote="gill1109"
Obviously I will never convince Joy Christian that he is wrong but it seems I did convince quite a few others.

You may have convinced some Bell-believers. That doesn't mean much, as they are already blindsided by Bell's junk theorem. Like you, they are already incapable of seeing the light. [/quote]
The final version for IEEE Access is also on arXiv now, https://arxiv.org/pdf/2001.11338v8.pdf
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:28 am

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This is Joy Christian's GAViewer code running in GAViewer in Wine in Mint Linux on a VM Ware Fusion virtual machine on a MacBook Pro. GAViewer no longer runs on the newest Linux or Mac platforms but still can got be run under Windows.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby FrediFizzx » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:27 pm

@gill1109 Good! Now maybe you will learn some proper geometric algebra.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:19 am

FrediFizzx wrote:@gill1109 Good! Now maybe you will learn some proper geometric algebra.

Learn something new every day.

I am trying to rebuild GAViewer. The source code is available but standard rebuilding does not seem to work on MacOS or Ubuntu Linux. It needs some pretty ancient libraries which clash with presently used ones.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby FrediFizzx » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:32 am

gill1109 wrote:
FrediFizzx wrote:@gill1109 Good! Now maybe you will learn some proper geometric algebra.

Learn something new every day.

I am trying to rebuild GAViewer. The source code is available but standard rebuilding does not seem to work on MacOS or Ubuntu Linux. It needs some pretty ancient libraries which clash with presently used ones.

It would be good if there was a way to collect the data in GAviewer and export it as a file. Seems like there ought to be some kind of C+ function that could do that. I tried a few but no luck. Copy and paste into Word is limited by the number of trials.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:39 am

Meantime, I have been talking to the guys behind GAViewer. They don't have the resources to keep it updated. They tell me that the future maybe lies with ganja: https://github.com/enkimute/ganja.js
And Charles Gunn is doing very interesting and innovative stuff. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290437718_Geometric_Algebras_for_Euclidean_Geometry
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby FrediFizzx » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:17 am

gill1109 wrote:Meantime, I have been talking to the guys behind GAViewer. They don't have the resources to keep it updated. They tell me that the future maybe lies with ganja: https://github.com/enkimute/ganja.js ...

Looks pretty nerdy. Try progamming one of the GAViewer scripts in it. Let's see how you do. It needs to compile data in a list and export to a file or it is useless.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:41 am

FrediFizzx wrote:
gill1109 wrote:Meantime, I have been talking to the guys behind GAViewer. They don't have the resources to keep it updated. They tell me that the future maybe lies with ganja: https://github.com/enkimute/ganja.js ...

Looks pretty nerdy. Try progamming one of the GAViewer scripts in it. Let's see how you do. It needs to compile data in a list and export to a file or it is useless.

“Ganja” is just a way of doing GA in JavaScript. I don’t know JavaScript. Maybe this is something for Chantal Roth or Albert-Jan Wonninck. They are skilled programmers. JavaScript allows you to do anything you could want to do with data. And make beautiful graphics.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:49 pm

While waiting for IEEE Access to finish their review (not to mention RSOS) I wrote a comment on Joy Christian’s first IEEE Access paper. It’s now on arXiv, https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.00225
Comment on "Bell's Theorem Versus Local Realism in a Quaternionic Model of Physical Space"
Abstract: I point out critical errors in the paper "Bell's Theorem Versus Local Realism in a Quaternionic Model of Physical Space" by J. Christian, published in IEEE Access. Christian's paper in fact contains several conflicting models. None of them form counterexamples to Bell's theorem. Most of Christian's paper is devoted to a model based on the detection loophole due to Pearle (1970).

Comments are welcome!
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby FrediFizzx » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:58 am

@gill1109 Same old junk physics and math, and lies; different day.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:46 am

FrediFizzx wrote:@gill1109 Same old junk physics and math, and lies; different day.

Well, the junk physics and math and the lies are elsewhere! Take a look at https://rpubs.com/jjc/13965, in particular, this text:
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## This version has been adapted from Richard Gill's optimized version of
## Michel Fodje's original simulation of the model, which can be found here:
## http://rpubs.com/gill1109/EPRB3opt. Later Richard Gill improved his 3D
## version by employing the exact probability distribution derived by Philip
## Pearle in his classic 1970 paper: http://rpubs.com/gill1109/Pearle. It
## should be noted, however, that, unlike Pearle's model, the 3-sphere model
## has nothing whatsoever to do with data rejection or detection loophole.
## All of the above simulations are inspired by the original simulation of
## the 3-sphere model by Chantal Roth, https://github.com/chenopodium/JCS2.


First of all, Michel Fodje never wrote a simulation of Christian's model. He invented his own detection loophole and coincidence loophole models and published the Python code of them. He saw them as local realistic models which reproduced experimental results. He did not like the names "detection loophole" and "coincidence loophole". But that doesn't matter. None of these simulations were inspired by Chantal Roth's. Mine was a simulation of Pearle's model, which I learnt about from papers by Caroline Thompson, who published detection loophole models long, long ago. Caroline's models had nice physical interpretations, unlike Pearle's. But they did not produce the negative cosine exactly, only approximately. But good enough that one would not have been able to see the difference, with experimentally available data.

Chantal's model is a simple calculation using quaternions. In GA terms, she simply computes the real part of a b, and she even says that that is what she is doing! Her program was inspired by John Reeds' Mathematica implementation of some formulas in some of Christian's papers, which later resulted in that GA Viewer simulation. Which .... effectively, simply computes the real part of a b while adding some noise due to binning of "continuous" angles in discrete bins.

It is not even physics. It's just some elementary maths disguised as physics. In my opinion, it would make a rather nice hoax (cf. Sokal and Sneath). This is a fantastic "stress test" on present day scientific publishing.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby FrediFizzx » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:04 am

@gill1109 More lies and nonsense. You're doomed to bending the truth. Nobody cares about what happened 7 years ago. Get over it.
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Re: Comment on Joy Christian's second IEEE Access paper

Postby gill1109 » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:45 pm

FrediFizzx wrote:@gill1109 More lies and nonsense. You're doomed to bending the truth. Nobody cares about what happened 7 years ago. Get over it.
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IEEE is interested. It’s good that Christian did accurately document the evolution of the supposed computer simulations of his model, as he saw them. We know he doesn’t program himself.
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