Lord of the Physics wrote:In terms of the first program Fred posted, can we agree:

1. a and b are the detector settings, and are independent of each other and everything else

2. theta is entirely determined by a and b

3. The x-axis of Fred's first posted graph is theta and the y axis is suppossed to be a calculated correlation based on the simulated trials

I think the answer is "yes, we can agree on this". Richard, do you agree? (Then I wonder how you are bucketing the 50000 theta values to create the graph, but I guess it doesn't matter.)

Then I wonder: is the correlation calculated correctly? Richard, do you think so?

Lambda appears to be necessary for this to work. That seems ok to me, if 1 above is true. Or, Richard, is the problem that the use of Lambda makes the correlation calculation invalid? If so, it still seems interesting that a single binary random variable alone, Lambda, makes the correlations match quantum theory, given that Richard's side has been arguing you would need more randomness. Has anyone else run the code and got the graph?

Let's say Richard says Lambda makes the correlation calculation invalid. Can it be interpreted in a physical manner that refutes this? What is that interpretation?

Finally, is this correlation versus theta graph what Bell's Theorem says is impossible? I know of Bell's theorem in an entirely different format. I am wondering if this is just one piece of what Joy needs to demonstrate, or if it just one of many things.

Or is the bump in the carpet somewhere else?

Nobody is objecting or doubting your 1-3. They are pretty straight forward. The correlations are calculated correctly. Nobody is doubting that either since a computer is doing the calculating. However, the first code I posted is pretty irrelevant compared to the second set of code that I posted. That first set of code was just a "warm up". Lambda is not required to mathematically obtain the correct correlations for the product calculation. But lambda

IS required for the correct physical picture.

Yes, this calculation of the product is what Bell's junk physic theorem says is impossible. But quantum mechanics is local with or without the hidden variable. So no more freakin' spookiness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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