Joy Christian's macroscopic 'exploding balls' experiment

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Re: Joy Christian's macroscopic 'exploding balls' experiment

Postby Joy Christian » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:09 am

Q-reeus wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:The standard position is that EPR-Bohm type correlations are due to quantum entanglement in the quantum mechanical singlet state.

Most followers of Bell are not physicists, and they have no understanding and/or interest in general relativity or spacetime geometry.

Correlations owing to EPR-Bohm experiments are assumed to be and in practice found to be independent of spatial separation of components.
On the other hand, the effect from particles or whatever coupling to a postulated intrinsic, uniform spatial torsion must obviously accumulate with distance in an essentially linear manner! You can't see that presenting an immediate issue?

Not at all. Distance between the particles have nothing to do with the predicted correlations. They only depend on the angle between the detector directions a and b.

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Re: Joy Christian's macroscopic 'exploding balls' experiment

Postby Joy Christian » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:19 am

Q-reeus wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:What is wrong with this simulation? viewtopic.php?f=6&t=200&p=5550#p5514

It's not a simulation of your proposed macroscopic 'exploding balls' experiment. An actual physical model (3+1)D, pixel-by-pixel, frame-by-frame evolution from moment of 'explosion' through to final point(s) of detector record(s). Assuming the fidelity of GA programming passes peer-review, that series of 'see-it-in-action' simulation runs, if confirming your theories predictions, is I suggest what will impress sceptics. Just 'one further step' after that. And you would surely then get the funding for that step quite easily.

Nothing will impress the sceptics. Despite appearances, their scepticism has nothing to do with science. You are underestimating their dogmatism and political power.

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Re: Joy Christian's macroscopic 'exploding balls' experiment

Postby Q-reeus » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:39 am

Joy Christian wrote:Nothing will impress the sceptics. Despite appearances, their scepticism has nothing to do with science. You are underestimating their dogmatism and political power.

Maybe so, but if I were in your shoes, scouting out and enlisting the services of an experienced GA-based game developer would be a top priority. A way imo to finally break free of all that hearburn from continual argumentation and recriminations back and forth with your foes. A valid, 'real world' simulation in some ways better than an actual experiment, given those annoyances mentioned earlier can be cleanly excised.
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Re: Joy Christian's macroscopic 'exploding balls' experiment

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:21 am

Q-reeus wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:Nothing will impress the sceptics. Despite appearances, their scepticism has nothing to do with science. You are underestimating their dogmatism and political power.

Maybe so, but if I were in your shoes, scouting out and enlisting the services of an experienced GA-based game developer would be a top priority. A way imo to finally break free of all that hearburn from continual argumentation and recriminations back and forth with your foes. A valid, 'real world' simulation in some ways better than an actual experiment, given those annoyances mentioned earlier can be cleanly excised.

It is probably pretty trivial to extend the simulation Joy mentioned to what you are talking about. Just a lot of coding work. The problem is that the Bell fanatics don't even accept this simple correct simulation for the EPR-Bohm scenario so for sure they are not going to accept something more complicated let alone trying to get it peer reviewed. If the real macroscopic singlet experiment is successful, then they will have to accept that upon someone else confirming it.
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