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Hi,

I was wondering if Entanglement could be an expression of the motion through a Field?

Particles could be seen as a propellors like windmill, where one of a particle-pair goes ClockWise (CW) and the other Counter-ClockWise (C-CW).

When rotating forward through the Field they orientate themselves perpendicular to the direction that they are going.

Now because the detectors are also propellors and orientate themselves relevant to their motion through the field, the measurements for Alice and Bob are always opposite but different. So for Bell's theorem there's a hidden variable that isn't local but global.

Isn't that the same as saying that quantum configuration space cannot be mapped onto physical space without a nonlocal model? That's the Bell's theorem claim.

michel_vdg wrote:Now because the detectors are also propellors and orientate themselves (relative) to their motion through the field, the measurements for Alice and Bob are always opposite but different. So for Bell's theorem there's a hidden variable that isn't local but global.

Detectors are local. If they mediate the correlation by the experimenter choice of detector setting, what's the global hidden variable?

Joy Christian's answer, following Einstein's prescription that all physics is local: The local topology of spacetime.

I like the idea of clockwise (cw) and anticlockwise (c-cw) rotators as being the hidden variables.
However, the electron spin is an inherent characteristic of an electron and not just a classical idea of a rotating macro body.
Also, once you have two separate rotating bodies, their entanglement is gone unless you have say a further, separate hidden (eg multidimensional) connection between the bodies. Entanglement is a common, shared multistate which can be doled out at an interaction. That doesn't really fit your picture as your spin states seems to have been doled out before interactions with the detectors.

This is what would happen to a boat with a single rotor, with no rudder:
https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C211GB0D20151017&p=out+of+control+speed+boat
This is a boat which has lost its linear motion. You could get linear motion by including a rudder for counteracting the torqe. Not sure if an electron carries a rudder!

What I find to be kind of paradoxical is that the cw electron would, one might think, behave like the boat in the link which would appear to have a mass. And a c-cw electron would be like a boat curving in the opposite direction. But also with a mass. The paradox is that the LH electron and RH electron are considered to be massless, and also non-physical But if you put together the two forms of electron then the resultant body can be physical and have mass.

The photon seems to be like a boat with matching cw and c-cw rotors working together, which is of course the requirement for a very fast linear motion. And yet the photon is asymmetrical wrt spin, so it does not have matching rotors. But the boats are just an analogy.

thray wrote:Detectors are local. If they mediate the correlation by the experimenter choice of detector setting, what's the global hidden variable?

The Global Hidden variable is how everything is orientating itself within the field. The difference between the measured particle and the detector is that the former is freely moving through the medium/field on its own, while and the latter is attached and part of a whole lattice moving through the medium, like how the propellor of the boat is attached to the boat.

Ben6993 wrote:The photon seems to be like a boat with matching cw and c-cw rotors working together, which is of course the requirement for a very fast linear motion. And yet the photon is asymmetrical wrt spin, so it does not have matching rotors.

The Photon could be like a spiralling Fig. 8 propelling forward like a helicopter:



… and the electron like a Torus:

https://youtu.be/VyI_AUZPvck

My electron model is not unlike the video linked in your post.
It has three colour branes interlinked in a triple helix.
Whereas the double helix DNA has links of either A-T or C-G, my electron model has three links red-green, red-blue or green blue linking the three colour branes, rather like rungs of a ladder.
These three attractive types of links keep the electron together.
The red rungs within the red brane repulse one another, stopping the electron from collapsing to a point. Ditto green, ditto blue.
In an electron all the links [48 such links, or a multiple of 48, in the electron] are continually spinning the same way so every link is forcing its own pair of branes to continually twist with the same handedness.
So the motion of the electron ought to be similar to that in the video.
I have not been able to produce a moving graphic for it yet.