What is the flaw in this argument?

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What is the flaw in this argument?

Postby FrediFizzx » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:25 pm

https://arxiv.org/abs/1509.03641
"Thermodynamical cost of some interpretations of quantum theory"

It seems to me that every trial of a EPRB experiment would have a new system of particle pairs so that this doesn't really apply. I don't think it rules out Type I interpretations in this case.
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Re: What is the flaw in this argument?

Postby minkwe » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:27 am

You are quite right Fred. The authors use "The system" sloppily. In fact, most authors use the phrase sloppily to their own undoing.

"The attempt to conceive the quantum-theoretical description as the complete description of the individual systems leads to unnatural theoretical interpretations, which become immediately unnecessary if one accepts the interpretation that the description refers to ensembles of systems and not to individual systems."
- Albert Einstein

To spot the flaw in most theoretical physics papers, focus on the phrase "the system", and ask "which one?".
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Re: What is the flaw in this argument?

Postby Joy Christian » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:23 pm

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Re: What is the flaw in this argument?

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:39 pm

Joy Christian wrote:***

And the insanity continues: https://phys.org/news/2017-04-physicist ... ality.html.

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Yep... same trick of shifting to a different inequality than the one they are supposed to "violate".
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