minkwe wrote:gill1109 wrote:Everybody has been silent = nobody has published any local realistic simulations which imitate the 2015+ experiments
So what? Eventually, there will be a simulation if there isn't one already. But to anyone attempting to figure out where the needle was hidden, I would suggest to spend your effort on more productive things than continually trying to chase the magician's rabbit. Because the magician will always be ahead and the more you figure it out, the smarter the magician will get at hiding the rabbit, and the longer it will take to find the next one. It is better to not play the game in the first place. Those claiming that something cannot be done, should
prove the negativeBTW, Earlier in our discussion about "randomness", you invoked "independence". May I ask, what claims are you willing to make about the independence in the Delft experiment, when considering the outcomes (x, y) and corresponding settings (a, b)?
There is no simulation yet, and Bell's theorem says there never will be.
If there is an as yet unknown error in the proof of Bell's theorem, then someone will eventually locate it. And then there will be a simulation which proves that the theorem was wrong. Notice: I am talking about a theorem in the field of computer science about distributed computing using classical computers and classical internet connections between them.
Joy Christian claims to have located an error in the proof. He claims to have a mathematical counterexample. He claims to have a simulation program or programs which proves that he is right. So he must be able to win my challenge. And thereby, more important than winning 64 thousand dollars from me, and forcing me to "eat my hat", he will also gain universal acclaim and probably a Nobel prize.
This also applies to you, Michel. Please go ahead and submit your suite of computer programs. We will give a live demonstration of them at our symposium. I would like to discuss with you what conditions you would insist on, to prevent me from cheating. I think we will have to agree that a trusted third party (or small team of trusted third parties) will supply "random settings" which neither you nor I can predict. I wonder who you would accept as trusted third party.
Instead, Joy claims that he already won my challenge and that I have moved the goalposts. But the goalposts never, ever moved, from where they were placed by Bell in 1981. And everyone witnessed how he and Fred lost the challenge, the last time that I issued it. I recall that you even told them not to play the game because you knew they were bound to lose.
The challenge can, on the other hand, be won if one replaces classical computers with classical internet connections by quantum computers with quantum internet connections. At least, that is what the latest generation of Bell-type experiments strongly suggests, despite various remaining imperfections.