Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby Joy Christian » Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:27 am

FrediFizzx wrote:
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Hi Fred,

There is a minor problem with your proof. While the statistics behind the strong correlations is finely displayed by your code, it seems to violate the requirement that when a = b, AB = -1.

That is both an experimental requirement and a prediction of quantum mechanics. Moreover, it was used by EPR as one of the prerequisites in their argument that started this debate.

This is a very minor problem for your code. It can be easily fixed by simply changing the sign on your function A or B, by recalling that bivectors square to -1.
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Hi Joy,

Not sure what you are seeing because when I run the program with vectorB = vectorA I get all -1's at zero degrees for each event.

As far as I can tell, your plot is upsidedown and shows that correlation is +1 when a = b.

Oh... my bad. I think it looks odd because it is shifted compared to the usual plot.
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:48 am

Yeah, it is from -180 to +180 with zero in the middle.
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby Joy Christian » Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:57 am

FrediFizzx wrote:Yeah, it is from -180 to +180 with zero in the middle.

Here is Chantal's version: https://rpubs.com/chenopodium/516072.
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:53 am

Joy Christian wrote:
FrediFizzx wrote:Yeah, it is from -180 to +180 with zero in the middle.

Here is Chantal's version: https://rpubs.com/chenopodium/516072.
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Chantal has a=b wrong but I can't tell where it is. 0 degrees should be -1 not +1. Plus neither Chantal nor John Reed had the singlet quaternion involved so not exactly your model.
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby Joy Christian » Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:58 am

FrediFizzx wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
FrediFizzx wrote:Yeah, it is from -180 to +180 with zero in the middle.

Here is Chantal's version: https://rpubs.com/chenopodium/516072.
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Chantal has a=b wrong but I can't tell where it is. 0 degrees should be -1 not +1. Plus neither Chantal nor John Reed had the singlet quaternion involved so not exactly your model.

Yes, I noticed that.

Is it possible to have the range of angles from 0 to 360 in your code?
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:14 am

Joy Christian wrote:
FrediFizzx wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
FrediFizzx wrote:Yeah, it is from -180 to +180 with zero in the middle.

Here is Chantal's version: https://rpubs.com/chenopodium/516072.
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Chantal has a=b wrong but I can't tell where it is. 0 degrees should be -1 not +1. Plus neither Chantal nor John Reed had the singlet quaternion involved so not exactly your model.

Yes, I noticed that.

Is it possible to have the range of angles from 0 to 360 in your code?
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Sure, just shift the -180 to 0 to +180 to 360 by adding +360 to it. The range should actually be -360 to +360 but can't get that using acos.
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:48 pm

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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby Joy Christian » Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:28 pm

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Fred, is this done by adding a line in the code or manually?
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:51 pm

Joy Christian wrote:.
Fred, is this done by adding a line in the code or manually?
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Just add 360 to the -acos part.
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Re: Here is why Bell's theory is shot down

Postby FrediFizzx » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:00 pm

Here is another version of Joy's local model using quaternions that shoots down Bell's theory. I've put the hidden variable directly into the singlet quaternion where it belongs. I also identified the two separate singlet particles as Ls1 and Ls2. Plus put in the full polarization for the A and B functions. And this has the plot going from 0 to 360.

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Blue is the correlation data and red is the negative cosine curve for comparison. Exact match!

Now, this plus the 7-sphere model demolishes all the so-called Bell "proofs" and I have just shot down Gill's version of Gull's so-called "proof" so that should do it.
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