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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:22 pm

@gill1109 It wouldn't be nice to tell them your work belongs in the trash can.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:30 am

FrediFizzx wrote:@gill1109 It wouldn't be nice to tell them your work belongs in the trash can.

It would be exciting! I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. I make mistakes in my scientific work, like almost everyone else, and when I learn about them, I admit them and try to correct them.

Of course you can tell them that, and if you believe that, and you’re a real scientist, you *should* do it. But you would have to supply your arguments.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby Joy Christian » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:03 am

gill1109 wrote:
Joy Christian wrote:
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FrediFizzx wrote:Guess what folks? Another COMING SOON is coming soon.

Also coming soon: I’m giving a Zoom talk in Paris on Monday, 2pm CEST. I’ll discuss computer simulations of Bell experiments and I’ll discuss Joy’s work. Send me an email if you’d like to have the Zoom codes.
https://sites.google.com/view/statseminar-crest-cmap/home

Why would anyone want to hear your worthless talk when Bell's theorem has been dead for at least 14 years, if not from its very birth? It would be a waste of time for any rational physicist.

The statisticians and probabilists in Paris will love it! (At least, assuming that my internet is good enough). Here are the slides. Why don't you tell me where the math errors are?
https://www.slideshare.net/gill1109/bell-in-paris
Better still, join in the audience and let them know what you think about my work.

Ok. I glanced through your slides. Your claims are laughable. They show that even after having been on this forum for so many years, you have zero understanding of what Michel Fodje, Fred, and I have explained to you many times. You can do whatever statistics you like, they amount to absolutely nothing when it comes to Bell's silly claims about locality and realism.

PS: I also noticed that you did not cite my reply to you, published in IEEE Access: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9418997 (open access).
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:36 am

Joy Christian wrote:Ok. I glanced through your slides. Your claims are laughable. They show that even after having been on this forum for so many years, you have zero understanding of what Michel Fodje, Fred, and I have explained to you many times. You can do whatever statistics you like, they amount to absolutely nothing when it comes to Bell's silly claims about locality and realism.

PS: I also noticed that you did not cite my reply to you, published in IEEE Access: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9418997 (open access).
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I plan to discuss the whole IEEE Access and RSOS sagas! Of course my “Comments” and your “Replies” will be covered.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:12 am

My talk is about the mathematical properties of simulation models. Not about physics.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:55 pm

gill1109 wrote:My talk is about the mathematical properties of simulation models. Not about physics.

Make sure you talk about the simulation that shot down all your so-called "proofs".

https://www.wolframcloud.com/obj/fredif ... -paper2.nb :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol:
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:48 pm

FrediFizzx wrote:
gill1109 wrote:My talk is about the mathematical properties of simulation models. Not about physics.

Make sure you talk about the simulation that shot down all your so-called "proofs".
https://www.wolframcloud.com/obj/fredif ... -paper2.nb

I’ll talk about it and write about it when you’ve managed to publish it in a moderately decent journal. Honestly, I don’t expect that ever to happen. The problem is that you are not trying to simulate any experiment that anybody ever did, and you don’t have an attractive physical or mathematical motivation to your model. It is far too complicated. Far too many numerical parameters with no meaning - they are just knobs to twiddle.

If you would randomly delete channel 1 or channel 2 for each trial, then your model would mathematically become “just another detection loophole model”, covered by existing theory. But not a very good one. I don’t think it will interest the specialists in that area. It would however fit better to Joy’s theories, it would include explicitly his quaternionic spin flip. Right now the quaternionic stuff is just a small extra level of complexity which merely smooths out some unwanted bumps in the statistics.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:16 am

gill1109 wrote: ... If you would randomly delete channel 1 or channel 2 for each trial, (snip nonsense)

Why would we ever do that? Do you think that is something that happens in Nature? Hell no, It is just more nonsense you make up to keep yourself in denial from admitting defeat. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:42 am

Ok Folks, the COMING SOON is here! Quaternion version with 3D vectors! One million trials, one degree resolution.

Image

The Cloud file.

https://www.wolframcloud.com/obj/fredif ... D-forum.nb

Direct files.

EPRsims/newCS-25-S3quat-3D-forum.pdf
EPRsims/newCS-25-S3quat-3D-forum.nb

Enjoy the simulation that would trash Gill's nonsense talk! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby jreed » Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:08 am

Ho hum. Just more of the same old detection loophole and double detectors with the added complexity of quaternions and now three dimensions. No need to do any more analysis. Fred, you need to try something else. Maybe another loophole?
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:09 am

jreed wrote:Ho hum. Just more of the same old detection loophole and double detectors with the added complexity of quaternions and now three dimensions. No need to do any more analysis. Fred, you need to try something else. Maybe another loophole?

No, we don't need no steenkin' loopholes to keel Beel's theory and Geel's theory. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:43 pm

FrediFizzx wrote:
gill1109 wrote: ... If you would randomly delete channel 1 or channel 2 for each trial, (snip nonsense)

Why would we ever do that? Do you think that is something that happens in Nature?

Do you think that what you do with your data happens in the lab? 8-) :lol:
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:57 am

gill1109 wrote:
FrediFizzx wrote:
gill1109 wrote: ... If you would randomly delete channel 1 or channel 2 for each trial, (snip nonsense)

Why would we ever do that? Do you think that is something that happens in Nature?

Do you think that what you do with your data happens in the lab?

Natural artifacts baby, artifacts. That's all I'm saying for now. :D
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:23 pm

There's a great discussion raging over at Academia.edu triggered by a new offering by Gordon Watson. Lot's of pro- and contra- Bell folk arguing away, hammer-and-nails. https://www.academia.edu/s/9feada3a8d?source=link
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:55 pm

gill1109 wrote:There's a great discussion raging over at Academia.edu triggered by a new offering by Gordon Watson. Lot's of pro- and contra- Bell folk arguing away, hammer-and-nails. https://www.academia.edu/s/9feada3a8d?source=link

Looks like a whole bunch more nonsense that we are not going to bother to read since we already have the Gill theory killer figured out 2 different ways. :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:40 am

FrediFizzx wrote:
gill1109 wrote:There's a great discussion raging over at Academia.edu triggered by a new offering by Gordon Watson. Lot's of pro- and contra- Bell folk arguing away, hammer-and-nails. https://www.academia.edu/s/9feada3a8d?source=link

Looks like a whole bunch more nonsense that we are not going to bother to read since we already have the Gill theory killer figured out 2 different ways. :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:17 am

Looks like the cat got Gill's tongue! Oh, that was me. Don't post off-topic nonsense to this forum! If you have some non-nonsense question or comment about the simulations, this is the place to do it.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:52 am

Or perhaps one of you Bell fans have some NON-strawman proof that the simulations are wrong. Haven't seen any of that yet.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby gill1109 » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:04 am

One of the interesting things that I discovered at that Academia.edu website discussion (of a paper by our old friend Gordon Watson) was Fred’s simulation model in papers five years ago by Hess, de Raedt, Michielsen.
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Re: Coming Soon!

Postby FrediFizzx » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:49 am

gill1109 wrote:One of the interesting things that I discovered at that Academia.edu website discussion (of a paper by our old friend Gordon Watson) was Fred’s simulation model in papers five years ago by Hess, de Raedt, Michielsen.

Do you have an exact reference for that or is this more nonsense?
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